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In response to: Slush Fingering and Other Pond Patterns

Comment from: [Member]

Hi Bev,
That is an interesting observation. I can only guess about the angular nature. If there had been fingers such as those in the top images, the melting from the center may proceed along nearly straight fronts between the fingers. For example, in the top image, there are 7 main fingers, so if the melting fronts were straightish between fingers, the shape would be a 7-sided figure. If two fingers are very close, the fronts may join, making it 6-sided.

Just a guess. I may have seen something like this in the past. Will keep my eyes open for it. Thanks for asking–

Jon

01/29/24 @ 11:52

In response to: Slush Fingering and Other Pond Patterns

Comment from: Bev Meier [Visitor]  
Bev Meier

I have a roundish pond on which the melting pattern of several days is a definite trapezoid. In a larger of my ponds, the thawing is also angular. Why? It seems that it might follow the shape of the pond…but aside from that, WHY would these thaw in ANGULAR patterns?

01/27/24 @ 10:56

In response to: An Ice Vase Sprouts From a Bathtub

Comment from: richard jones [Visitor]  
richard jones

I have photographed and video’s an ice vase that I found in an old shower floor that was in the bed of my truck. I had never seen anything like it and this afternoon I had some time indoors so found Your website.

Oh and I too put a small twig down into the vase.

Mine too was triangular.

How do I send you the video and photos?

12/30/23 @ 15:14

In response to: The end of snow

Comment from: [Member]

Looking at this posting, now 7 years after I wrote it, it might look like the plots are from the NY Times article. They aren’t. I spent quite a bit of time making them.

My point was that if one looks at the data, the picture is not as grim as the newspaper articles suggests. Also, note that the snow coverage instead has an increasing trend in the early winter. Also, obviously, the trends in smaller regions may be quite different than those of all of N. America, as I plotted here.

03/21/21 @ 22:56

In response to: What makes the thick curvy lines in frozen puddles?

Comment from: [Member]

Thanks a lot, Jim.
Prof. Lewin sure has the mad scientist look about him now.

I did not know about the term “cat ice” for the ice on these “crunchy” puddles. The 1901 book excerpt that is briefly shown in that video gives the definition, but does not mention why cat is in the term. Online, the Merriam-Webster dictionary also gives the term “shell ice", and one twitter poster (@RobGMacfarlane) writes that the ice is just thick enough to “support a cat” and hence the term.

About that Prof. Lewin video, if you look to it for an explanation, then you can better use your time elsewhere–you will find no explanation there of any freezing phenomena.

01/03/21 @ 02:13

In response to: What makes the thick curvy lines in frozen puddles?

Comment from: Jim J Jewett [Visitor]  
Jim J Jewett

Just thought I should tip you off to the reason for some extra recent traffic – a challenge issued by Professor Lewin, with this page listed as a providing a very good explanation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QbNmCPgE0&ab_channel=LecturesbyWalterLewin.Theywillmakeyou%E2%99%A5Physics.

01/02/21 @ 14:02

In response to: Snow on a Freshly Frozen Pond

Comment from: [Member]

Hi Sarah,
If you have a chance, send a photo of the supraglacial pond case, and I’ll ask Charlie. He might have done some subsequent research on these.
In these cases, it seems very likely that water flow came through the ice at the center and flowed outward slowly. The case at the bottom with the viscous fingering likely involved faster flow.
But like most of these ice-pattern phenomena, close and detailed observations are hard.

Jon

12/12/19 @ 13:30

In response to: Snow on a Freshly Frozen Pond

Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]  
Sarah

I am wondering if you or your peers have made any progress on the concentric circles on snow covered ponds. I am seeing the same thing on glaicers (small ponds on glaicers) and wondered how these concentric rings form. In the center of the pond (center of all the rings), we also see a small smooth concave-up bulge, like the slush accumulated in a upward facing dimple in the middle. Pressure? Slow upflow from waters below under pressure? Thoughts?

12/10/19 @ 13:45

In response to: Grain boundaries between crystals in big ice

Comment from: [Member]

Hi Karel,
About your 1st question:
Does all clear ice (not slush) separate or split as vertical candles or pencils?

I have not seen polycrystalline ice that splits apart like this. Sea ice might, but I have not played around with sea ice. The reason sea ice might do this is that the salt in the water does not enter the ice, and tends to collect in long vertical channels called brine pockets.

About your 2nd question:
Or is there a difference in small grains and large grains?

The grains will depend on the ice history and the way it originally formed. Often, researchers just look at slices of the ice and thus get knowledge only of a cross-section. It would be interesting to know the 3-dimensional structure of the grains.

About your 3rd question:
Most ice formed from freezing has air bubbles. And there can be a lot of stress in the ice around the bubble. So this might lead to grains. I don’t know any more about it though.

(Sorry about the delay in this reply. I was having some trouble with the system.)

07/12/19 @ 11:13

In response to: Grain boundaries between crystals in big ice

Comment from: Karel [Visitor]
Karel

Does all clear ice (not slush) sepatate or split as vertical candles or pencils? Or is there a difference in small grains and large grains? And what about air bubbles?

07/02/19 @ 17:21

In response to: Hair Ice on Wood and Pavement

Comment from: [Member]

Hi Madison.

Hair ice forms like needle ice in the ground: water from inside flows to the surface and freezes. I tried to explain this above and below the diagram–let me know what aspect of the explanation is unclear.

The reason that the hairs are thinner is thought to be due to the thinner channels of water in the plants.

And the reason the hairs don’t clump into a solid mass, like clumped spaghetti is not clear. Some researchers recently argued that a fungus in the wood keeps the hairs from clumping.

Jon

01/02/19 @ 19:11

In response to: Hair Ice on Wood and Pavement

Comment from: Madison Hancock [Visitor]  
Madison Hancock

But why does it happen

01/02/19 @ 16:50

In response to: The Crunchy Puddle Puzzle

Comment from: [Member]

Nice to hear, David.

I suppose many have wondered, but only for a minute.

The frozen puddles have other interesting features, and thus more things yet to wonder about. It never ends.

About that last question and mystery in the last photo, I think I now have the solution.

01/23/18 @ 16:04

In response to: The Crunchy Puddle Puzzle

Comment from: David S. [Visitor]
David S.

Thank you for answering this puzzle for me! As a kid, I too loved breaking the hollow ice on puddles and always wondered how they formed that way.

01/09/18 @ 13:49

In response to: Slush Fingering and Other Pond Patterns

Comment from: [Member]

Thanks Ray.

I’ve never heard of Zooniverse, but I look forward to checking out your link.

06/21/17 @ 16:16

In response to: Slush Fingering and Other Pond Patterns

Comment from: Ray Perry [Visitor]
Ray Perry

Hi,
I came across similar dendritic patterns on Eskimo Lakes ice whilst browsing Google Maps https://www.google.de/maps/@69.509159,-131.539675,971m/data=!3m1!1e3 and have started a discussion on Zooniverse Planet Four terrains https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/mschwamb/planet-four-terrains/talk/9/192678?comment=329756&page=1 . I would appreciate your comments.

02/25/17 @ 09:04

In response to: Black Ice

Comment from: [Member]

Wow, Dennis, those are fantastic patterns and great photos – thanks for the link!

Many people seem to think that the curvy ice patterns only form on glass. But it only requires a thin film of water. This is why I call it “film frost". In addition to the cases of concrete and plastic shown above, I’ve also seen it on wood. I don’t recall ever seeing it on rock, or if I have, never as startling as the formations you photographed.

Jon

03/01/13 @ 18:44

In response to: Black Ice

Comment from: dennis [Visitor]
dennis

just posted some photos of black ice on my flickr site. so far, you are the only site i have found that has similar shots of this phenomenon!
go to my site and check out the patterns that showed up on our flat rocks at our home in ct. i have never seen this before in my life! so far i think that people who see this think it is a hoax or something!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/schaut/
thanks, dennis

03/01/13 @ 16:36

In response to: An Ice Vase Sprouts From a Bathtub

Comment from: [Member]

Well, thanks Tom.
The ice wall sounds like a drainage feature, related to the “crunchy puddle” phenomenon (as you mention), and the Jan 27, 2013 entry on puddles.

Clearly, there is a lot more to observe and describe about frozen puddles! I’d really like to see a photo of this one you mentioned.

Jon

03/01/13 @ 08:49